Temple Bound
God's children are searching in greater numbers for answers and hoping for miracles as they look to Jesus Christ for relief. On 'Temple Bound,' hosted by Will Humphreys, explore how temples offer not just solace but also powerful tools for navigating these turbulent times through faith in Jesus Christ.
Tune in every Monday to hear Will Humphreys engage with guests who bring inspiring stories, profound teachings, and insights into accessing divine guidance through temple service.
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Whether you're seeking answers, yearning for peace, or in need of a miracle, 'Temple Bound' is your weekly spiritual refuge, helping you anchor your soul to the Savior. Join us on this sacred journey to deepen your faith and discover the blessings of temple worship.
Temple Bound
The Truth About Worthiness with Skyler Bell
Is worthiness about perfection or progress? In a world where social media fuels comparison and isolation, it's easy to feel like we’re never enough. But what if true worthiness is about direction, not flawlessness?
In this episode, we dive deep into the following:
- The true meaning of worthiness
- How faith, repentance, and grace shape our spiritual journey.
- You'll hear insights on the adversary’s tactics—especially through social media.
- How isolation can distort our view of self-worth
- The power of the temple in fostering belonging and gratitude.
We challenge the misconception that worthiness means perfection and discuss how incremental growth, rather than instant transformation, leads to lasting change. If you’ve ever questioned your worthiness or struggled with feelings of inadequacy, this conversation will help you redefine your perspective and find peace in the process.
Happy Monday and welcome back to another episode of Temple Bound. This is Will Humphreys. Today's guest is a returning guest, skylar Bell. He had the most amazing approach to something called worthiness. He and I are going to be discussing a talk by Bradley R Wilcox called Worthiness is Not Flawlessness, and it's an interesting discussion because we're going to be discussing a talk by Bradley R Wilcox called Worthiness Is Not Flawlessness. And it's an interesting discussion because we're going to be talking about how we have misconceived what worthiness really is.
Speaker 1:Oftentimes he refers to it as culture of the church. I think of it as just us trying to understand and figure things out. But, at the end of the day, if you're a person who's ever in question around your worthiness, this is an episode for you. Who's ever in question around your worthiness, this is an episode for you. It is a loving, very supportive, uplifting episode that I believe will help you understand these concepts in a way that will empower you in a huge way, so that we can go from getting on our knees and begging for forgiveness to getting on our knees and praising the Lord because of what he is constantly doing for us. Enjoy the show. So, skylar, I loved this talk. Why did you pick it?
Speaker 2:I picked it because not only my own experience, but I have friends, young men in my war, who I work with, who struggle not only with temple attendance but with church membership, because they don't feel worthy, because they're not perfect, because they make mistakes, and none of them have any huge malignant sins, have any huge malignant sins and yet that the imperfection that we all have has just kept them from that full participation and full blessings of the temple, and it was on my mind. So when you asked about talks, that was the one that popped right up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it doesn't specifically talk about temples. But I think this idea of worthiness is so appropriate because in our faith structure I think this is a word we get wrong. I don't think I don't think. Growing up, at least, I understood what worthiness really meant, because it for me, growing up, at least, I understood what worthiness really meant because it for me it was like the checklist items of like as long as I avoid X, y, z and I'm trying ABC, that I'm worthy, like it was some sort of a magical equation and formula Right.
Speaker 1:And so I think that, like you said, there's a, there's an unhealthy relationship that we oftentimes get in religion in general. That gets automatically stamped onto ours as well. That worthiness has, um, like a shameful, you know perspective to that. So in your world, as you're working with these young men who are going through these periods of, like you know, feeling like they're not able to participate with the full blessings of the temple because they're not fully worthy Maybe they don't have any huge, like you said, malignant sins, but like, what do you say to them? Like, how do you talk to them in a way to help them understand this concept?
Speaker 2:Oh, I mean, I guess the short answer is it's different for everybody. Uh, it it, it depends, but I I think the real answer is uh, with compassion and empathy, really trying to understand whatever it is that they are going through. We all have to repent. We are all working through something every day, every week, for our whole lives, week for our whole lives. And actually, funny enough, we talked a little bit today about in our quorum lesson.
Speaker 2:We were talking about leaders and making mistakes and I talked about some of the great prophets Moses and Noah and David and these guys are revered in three religions across the world as the greats of the greats, and yet they're all fallen. They all had shortcomings and were all denied different blessings depending on who they were, and yet that's still how we revere them. But what would happen if a prophet or apostle today was caught on a hot mic? If a prophet or apostle today was caught on a hot mic saying a word that they shouldn't be saying? There would be people who lose their testimony and leave the church over. The imperfection just drip straight into ourselves, where that's the expectation. That's how good I should be. Be ye therefore perfect, and that's it. That might be the commandment, but that is not how God views us.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I think that the mercy sometimes gets lost in the justice of it all, and I love justice, I'm a big fan of that, and so, yeah, it's an interesting concept that when we look at repentance, I think oftentimes we have this confusion that it's a correction to the path, and I think that's what we were taught At least I was. You know, like, hey, here's the path, you're perfect, you've been baptized, you're on the path. Oh, you make a mistake. Now, repentance is that correction, and it's not that that's wrong. It's not as deep as understanding that repentance is the path. Like repentance isn't like this thing that we want to avoid and like not do. It's this gift, it's this hope, it's this positive thing of like I get to repent because in this life I'll never be even close to the perfection that Christ said, but I love that he also has that standard for us of like be perfect, even as I am right.
Speaker 1:Like you can do. I think the way he means it is like you can be me. It takes this process and over time, if you're patient and you do all that you can, over time, my grace will cover the distance and then you, you and I can share in this thing called holiness together. But at the end of the day, like the path's name. If there was a road name on it, it was. It's called repentance, not this correction thing, but the path itself.
Speaker 2:I mean it's Doctrine and Covenants, article of Faith 4. Repentance is a principle of the gospel, it is a commandment, which it's interesting, that there's a commandment to be perfect and yet there's also a commandment to repent. And I think that just goes to show the true understanding of God of who we all are and how life works, and our lack of understanding of the big picture of everything. Like you said, it's not about be therefore perfect even now. It's about I have these processes, these steps, you have a savior, you can be there. Here's the road that we're going to walk, and that road is repentance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it. So what about this talk? Helps clarify this difference between worthiness being different than not flawlessness, like what was it about this talk that really grabbed your attention? You mentioned before we talked that this is something you could read every month. What are some of the key points that you really got a lot out of.
Speaker 2:I really liked the structure of the talk. I really like the structure of the talk. The general structure is as he is moving from one thought to the next. He essentially starts each thought with blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. Um. God's message is that blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, uh, and I, I love that, that thematic structure, um, of basically saying here's, here's what people often get caught thinking. Here is how god thinks about that. Uh, and the juxtaposition of those two thoughts and the correction of the thoughts, like the first one.
Speaker 2:Some mistakenly receive the message that repentance and change are unnecessary, but God's message is that they are essential. And goes on to say but doesn't God love us despite our shortcomings? Of course he loves us perfectly. God loves us as we are, but he also, god, love us despite our shortcomings. Of course he loves us perfectly. God loves us as we are, but he also loves us too much to leave us the way we are. Not only can Christ resurrect, cleanse, console and heal us, but through it all he can transform us to become more like him. And in that thematic message, that's's everything yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:And the story that they tell in this talk that really resonated with me tells the story of a young man struggling with a pornography addiction and the the way that you describe that structure, skyler, I think is evident in the way this young man experiences repentance as he goes through his journey, because he expresses in this addiction the things that I think about my world and the things in my shortcomings as well, about how the young man would feel a certain way. I think there was a section in here talking about how the young man oftentimes just felt like he didn't want to go to church because he was sick of being a hypocrite.
Speaker 1:He would repent confess his sins, go home, try the best he could. I think it says that he would go a week or even a month without following into that relapse state and then he would relapse and over time he just felt like he was a complete hypocrite and he said that to his priesthood leader and I love in the talk what his leader responds with. He says you're not a hypocrite because you have a bad habit you were trying to break. You are a hypocrite if you hide it, lie about it or try to convince yourself. The church has the problem for maintaining such high standards. Being honest about your actions and taking steps to move forward is not being a hypocrite, it is being a disciple.
Speaker 2:That last phrase is just. That's amazing. Being honest about your actions and taking steps to move forward is not being a hypocrite, it's being a disciple. To me, that is extremely powerful to someone seeking the blessings of the temple and in yearning for that, but feeling like you are on the outside, like you aren't there yet and you know watching people bear testimony of the temple, talk about going to the temple. I mean, you could sit in the parking lot and just watch everybody go in and just think all of these people, this is'm not, I'm not good enough for them, um, and just how, how destructive that is, because it's it is not the lord that is putting that thought in our heads yeah, I, I think that's a powerful comment right there that it's not the Lord.
Speaker 1:The episodes that have been building up to this one have been very evident on the adversary's role in all of this. I don't, you know, I think part of there is a human nature element to things, where we just kind of think things a certain way, but then there's certain things that I know come from the adversary, and so, like cases like worthiness absolutely, the adversary takes hold of that word. He says like worthiness, absolutely, the adversary takes hold of that word, the father of lies, and he twists it so that people who are disciples, who are like living examples and the Savior's got them, because the atonement was so powerful, because the Savior is so great, like they're fine, they're not perfect, they're working through different elements of things, but they are trying their best. They're being disciples as the talk describes, but the adversary would tell you differently. There's a quote, it's interesting.
Speaker 1:I never thought this until we started talking, skylar, but there was another talk in the October 24 conference from Elder Holland called I Am he, and he hits something that you said earlier about the fact that every one of us is working through our own salvation as we get to know the Savior.
Speaker 1:But this is an important quote. It says so sometimes, the harder you try, the more difficult it seems to get find someone or something determined to challenge your faith. If, as your labor devotedly, you still feel moments of fear wash over you remember that it has been so for some time, of the most faithful and marvelous people in every era of time, and also remember that there is a force in the universe determined to oppose every good thing you try to do. And I just what I love about that is every single righteous disciple, every member of every 12 that's ever been, has had to repent, and big and small. Like. That's not for us to decide, because none of us need the Savior any differently from each other. And I think that's the key message of when you say that it's like, yeah, that's not coming from God, but it is coming from a source. I think recognizing that is so important.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's funny as you were reading that quote. What a great quote, what a great concept. But what it brought to my mind was that Satan is kind of the perfect MMA fighter, like for people who need a straight up punch in the face to bring him down. He's got that. For people who struggle, fighting against a judo-type fighter like I'm going to let you keep coming, keep coming. I'm going to use your own momentum and I'm going to shove you into a space you never thought you'd be and you thought you were attacking. Next thing, you know you're on the ground and I feel like that's how the worthiness piece is.
Speaker 2:Um, you know the, the kid in the. In the talk I think he refers to him as damon. Um, you know he. He goes a weeks, months, he's walking the path and then he slips up. And just in that small slip up, that shame and that thought of I have to be worthy, satan just uses to shove him against the cage. And you can be doing everything right and you can be doing everything right, and those small little windows that he's eventually going to have, because we are all imperfect he's going to take advantage of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's going to take advantage. I love your description of him being a perfect MMA fighter, because there's so many different types of ways to take down an opponent right. Some people get worn out over time all these different things, but it is so powerful to think about people who are struggling with different challenges and addiction, how the adversary wants them to believe that they're different. His biggest power, I think his most powerful attack, is isolation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I think he wants us to think no one's going to be, no one's like us, that no one could ever possibly know, like how bad or wrong or goofed up or weird we are, or that everyone does know, and that's why I don't have friends. This is a topic that's very near and dear to me, because one of the reasons I wanted to create this podcast was to really start helping the youth not feel so alone in this world of social media. And so far, you know, obviously the audience has been mostly adults like us who are concerned. But I just think, regardless of our age, that's his most powerful tool and there's nothing more opposing to that concept than than temple and family history work, the uniting of an eternal family, of of people who are literal sons and daughters, offspring of deity, you know like there's just nothing that poses that any more than that. So I love that analogy of the MMA fighter.
Speaker 2:I think that idea, with social media and its effects today, it's so self-perpetuating. You have someone who is feeling shame about who they are, who then posts something only their, their best, or their, their made-up self. It's the image of themselves that they're projecting, but then they see that from other people and we assume that that's really them, and so it makes us feel less secure. It makes makes us feel more inadequate, more shamed, and it's just this cycle. So we then perpetuate it with what we put out there, how we talk about ourselves, how we talk about our lives, and then we take in that same perpetuation from everybody else and it just eventually, to be honest, his work is done, like he doesn't have to have his hand in everything, in every social media post, in every late night search, we've done it to ourselves, like we just we've put ourselves there and he can sit back and just collect the checks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know it's interesting when you describe that. We were talking earlier today to some youth at our stake about temples and how that relieves depression and anxiety, and we were talking about that same cycle. You just mentioned Sky and it was so interesting because I asked you know, I sat in front of kids and I say, okay, guys, suicide in your age category has gone up 400% according to a recent study. What's causing that? And then they all describe the thing you just said, like all of them know, they already know. It's the weirdest thing that we're even self-aware of it. Like usually the thing that's killing us. We're like, well, we don't know really what it is. They know what it is. They may not understand, like how to live in a world where, like, there's a social pressure to do it, but at the end of the day, when we talk about it. I described it as FOMO, the fear of missing out, and the thing that I love about the temple in particular is that it creates an experience for us to experience what we called we told the kids was Jomo, the joy of missing out. Like, if we can, if in a temple we learn who we really are, we can step away from these concepts that are being perpetuated, that draw us in, and we can have joy by choosing to eliminate our presence from those environments that are causing all this pain and all this negative output for people. So, yeah, I you know.
Speaker 1:Going back to your um, the story of the young man Damon, something else that he says in there. You were talking at the beginning of the structure of the talk. I also really appreciated how he talked about Damon's quote. At one point he says the only time I had turned to God in the past was to ask for forgiveness, but now I also ask for grace, his enabling power. I've never done that before. These days I spend a lot less time hating myself for what I've done and a lot more time loving Jesus for what he has done. Such a different perspective of worthiness, right Like his effort, matters.
Speaker 2:And it's funny. I think, culturally, mormons are really bad about that. Uh, in fact, in in our previous uh discussion I I talked a little bit about how, culturally, mormons aren't always great at we talk about worshiping, then we're not always great at just worshiping the Lord. We're not great at that. There are other religions that I just think have that overwhelming sense of gratitude for the Savior that just oozes out of them all the time. I mean it, just I don't know why this is making me think of it. Yesterday there was an avalanche in Big Cottonwood Canyon, right by where I live oh, wow in in salt lake and um one of the priests in in my ward.
Speaker 2:He went to a school dance yesterday and they his date, her father, was buried something like 20 to 30 feet underneath snow.
Speaker 2:He had to to be dug out of this avalanche and they didn't know about it until that night.
Speaker 2:And how grateful would you be when you're sitting there in those piles of snow and you're thinking, probably this is it, I'm done. And when you whether it's your hearing voices and shovels, or you finally see that snow break through and you see someone's face who has been working to get you out of there, reach down their hand and pull you out, the gratitude that you would feel, that would be life-changing. And yet it's become so commonplace for us to be saved, to be forgiven, to take advantage of the atonement, that we often take it for granted and we forget and we don't exude that constant gratitude for the Savior. And, honestly, one way that we can is by attending the temple, by going and in taking that moment where everything else in life is happening outside the walls of the temple. For this period of time I'm just in here, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and it's because I want to, but also because it's a commandment I've been asked to and I'm here to do the work.
Speaker 1:I love the idea, Skylar, that you're talking about of helping us go back to worshiping the Savior and for those who didn't hear that episode, please go check it out, because worshiping denotes a completely different experience and I think that going into worthiness greater love and worship would help us see what worthiness really is from that lens of someone who's just like impossible to detract from the love and care that they have for us and I think you know, for me as a father.
Speaker 1:I think that's what's really useful, as being a father is when you, when you see someone like your child that you love so much, make any sort of effort, and how that feels as a father like that. That's like a very small, insignificant comparison to what our heavenly father and the angels on the other side feel when we do anything. I was talking to someone very dear to me recently who was struggling and I just said, look, every little thing you do matters. That's positive, no matter what that is compared to anyone else is insignificant, but compared to you, your effort, if you can accomplish this one thing that you weren't able to do yesterday, maybe that's just get out of bed.
Speaker 1:Like that is such a big deal and recognize that there are people cheering for you and all these things. And so, yeah, I think I love that image of being buried in snow and that feeling that I would have. You know, Skylar, you've been in my family now so long. I don't distinguish in law or outlaw.
Speaker 2:I already know the story you're about to tell. I know I'm excited you're going to bring it up.
Speaker 1:I'm just like previewing it, because he's heard this story a million times. But you know, 17 years old, I fall off a mountain, I break both my arms and legs. I'm laying on this mountain face for hours alone and knowing I didn't think I knew I was going to die, like I just knew I was going to die and I was begging for my life. And and this guy, todd Ruggarillo, he got up that morning and he put on his camping boots, even though he's a coach at the university basketball team. He felt, I mean, he's not a member of our faith, he just felt really strongly he needed to put on his hiking shoes, not his camping boots, his hiking shoes. So he gets on his car and he's driving before cell phones and he sees this girl freaking out on the side of the road at the base of a hike, which is where you know where my girlfriend at the time was pulling him over, and he hiked 45 minutes and I'd been laying there and I was getting really lightheaded. I remember. I remember thinking, oh, I'm going to die soon. And I heard his voice and that voice cut through the silence and the loneliness in a way that I can't really describe to people having been there for we estimate three to four hours on my own, laying there with both arms and both legs broken, 21 bones and body, and I knew I was dying, and the loneliness a 17 year old boy as I felt laying there, that voice cutting through the silence, it's just, it's hard, I can't describe it other than just saying that like it was oxygen when I thought I was, you know, dying of suffocation.
Speaker 1:Just the hope, the love and those types of things. Day we get on our knees to remember that that's what we're doing when we repent, is we're receiving that kind of grace from our heavenly father and just to praise him. I try sometimes, skylar, to just say prayers of gratitude, like let's just go as far as I can on gratitude, I'm not going to ask for anything. And, man, every time I do that, I can see the Lord's hand in such a powerful way in my life that I just know that like everything's going to be okay, like even even as, as, like, as many times as I've needed to repent and, and you know, just do whatever is necessary to do that. The fact is, imperfectly, me, just like you, just like everyone else, we're trying our best and I think that's the thing we forget is that the Savior's grace is powerful enough if we just try, because in that same talk it's highlighted again, the Lord doesn't view weakness the same as rebellion.
Speaker 2:We confuse those two. I love that line.
Speaker 1:What do you love about?
Speaker 2:that I mean just the Lord sees weakness differently than he does rebellion. When the Lord speaks of weakness it is always with mercy. He speaks of weakness as almost just a part of the path. I mean we are his creations, the whole purpose of life, at least in my opinion. The purpose of life is to find the truth and live according to it, and a professor at BYU explained that to me.
Speaker 2:In that the spirit world, our spirits, made a decision. We knew what was true and we made a decision based on that. Our spirit still knows all of those truths. The purpose of life is to bring our physical body in line with what our spirit already knows. And that's similar to how I've always thought about it is that the purpose of life is to find the truth and live according to it. But in doing so, god knows that we have weakness. We are his creations. He's very aware it's just part of the road, whereas rebellion is not necessarily part of the road. That's a choice. We don't really have a choice for weakness, we have a choice for rebellion. That's a fact.
Speaker 1:That really landed heavy with me. I never thought of weakness as not having a choice. You know what I mean. Like we don't have a choice to have weakness we do is we have a choice to do with what we choose to do with that weakness. Right, right, I think that's where the adversary twists things. I've never seen that before, but truly, because he does, it's like oh man, you're not as blank as so and so, or you know you're not a big one. Is like you're not as blank as so-and-so, or you know you're not a big one. Is like you're not as righteous as that guy who's crying bearing his testimony you don't even know if it's true or like all the things right. It's just these weaknesses that we, we struggle through, seeing those as like either a something we choose or be something that just like. It's something we can't change at all and we're stuck this way and we're just always going to be less than right.
Speaker 2:That's that's. The lie is is that we are, we're stuck and that we're less than. There are things that are extremely difficult to overcome, for sure, and there are things that are probably a little easier and um but, but we only see things from our own lens. We only experience what we have going on. Certainly, we can look outside of ourselves and see things with empathy, but we just have our one singular experience. So whatever we're going through is always the biggest deal, because that's our viewpoint.
Speaker 2:But I love the two lines in this talk that he talks about incremental growth and that we could prosper by degrees, and it's, I mean, as a business concept. I'm sure you talk regularly with your clients about the aggregation of marginal gains and how. It's not about making huge sweeping changes all the time, but it's about getting a little bit better every day and after time all of those improvements build up to be massive change. What's happening to our country right now? I mean we are. It feels like overhauling everything, and there's danger to trying to do that. Think about trying to fix every weakness you have all at once. At one point you're going to break down. It's too much, but that's often what we expect from ourselves. And so then weheaval and that chaos is not something that is functional. We can't live in. That it's not about that.
Speaker 2:Coming back to the gospel piece of the discussion, it's about those degrees, that incremental growth and just getting a little bit better. You don't have to be flawless to get the blessings of the temple. You don't have to be flawless to be a celestial candidate. You don't have to be flawless to do those things. My father was a drug user. He was a drug addict. Drug user, he was a drug addict and I remember thinking before he died, I don't think my dad was a celestial candidate. He never overcame this thing and that was so judgmental. I look back on it and I cannot believe that I had that thought process and didn't understand exactly what this talk says, that God was not up there saying Damon or for my dad, steve blew it again. Instead, he was probably saying look how far Steve has come, and that's the gospel.
Speaker 1:It's the gospel and it's like water it fills every vessel, no matter what we think on the outside of it. I can't tell you when you were talking about Steve. I think that is a reflection of what the macro discussion is that we're having here, skylar, which is that we perceive worthiness and we see these elements almost like a math equation. At least I did again like that was how I viewed it. It's like I stay away from XYZ and I focus on doing ABC as best I can. And if I, if those numbers come up to an equal sign of a certain level, then I qualify for the celestial kingdom and I'll be, I'll be enough. And again, I'm not thinking I'm minimizing the Savior's role in all this, but I don't think we understand To your point. Steve also loved, purely sacrificed and gave anything and everything he could. He was such a powerful example. I think the further we are from the individual sometimes at least for me it's easier the closer to me, the more it is harder for me not to judge, but for me I strive to be like a Steve Bell in so many ways and what I love about him was that he never was a hypocrite. The guy was completely transparent about everything as best he could. And truthfully, I think that's the difference is that, no matter what we struggle with, man, I just think if we could get it out of our heads, these degrees of like evil, and just recognize that, like the savior's already got us, like it's already done, like we don't, who can love a God? Who like oh, I made one, I said one swear word, I'm out forever. Like who could love? I kind of like you know. And yet no unclean thing should ever enter the kingdom of heaven. And so what's the difference? It's Jesus. Like. That's the whole point of worthiness is that if we can, if we have something to confess to a Bishop, go for it Absolutely. If you're not sure, as Curtis Keller said a couple of episodes ago, just talk to him about it, bring it up, clean the attic. There's nothing but love in those meetings. There's nothing but love. And when we get to that point where we can get really clear and trust that the Savior has us already, then we can be like Damon and it changes that perspective of like. Oh, heavenly Father, I messed up again. I shouldn't be talking to you. What it is is like okay, look, here's what I'm trying to learn this time around. Here's where I need, I want, more grace. What can I do to be more faithful?
Speaker 1:And going back to the temple, the power that we are endowed with at the temple, time after time after time, helps us. I think the power Skylar comes from realizing two things. I think it's number one realizing, of course, who we are Like. There's a real power in knowing I'm not just some random existing human being on this planet, rather an intentionally created son of God that has a purpose, and the purpose is to love and promote Christ Like that's no matter what my individual expression of that is. That's my main purpose. The second thing is how we understand who God is. I think understanding the true nature of how many father helps helps us look at our sins completely differently.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 1:I just think we at least for me, dude, I'll tell you my greater weakness has been overly focused on sin Like, oh no, then I'm white knuckling it if I've got something to change in my personality right or not my personality, but my habits Whereas if I just look at it like no Jesus already I can't do this without Jesus. Jesus is the whole reason I can do this. Then I start to see those incremental improvements that you talked about. I do want to read that quote.
Speaker 1:Christofferson said to deal with something very big, we may need to work on it in small daily bites. Incorporating new and wholesome habits in our character, or overcoming bad habits or addictions often means an effort today, followed by another tomorrow and then another, perhaps for many days, even months and years. But we can do it because we can appeal to God for the help we need every day. It's about a gradient approach little by little right. Small things make big results, and so worthiness isn't a destination. Now there are elements we have to clean up, but, like, worthiness is a path that we joyfully walk and should be praising, singing Christ's name. Because of him, we're going to be okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, worthiness is not flawlessness. Just what a great talk and what a great idea for a talk. What a great title. I mean, I don't know, maybe it's just me who's constantly beating themselves up, but I mean, certainly this talk spoke to me and it made me want to walk down that road. It made me want to repent and even look forward to repenting and to worshiping and to attending the temple and doing those things that really bring the Spirit into my life, so that I can feel it and have those blessings and feel of that love.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I can't thank you enough, skylar, for being on the show Again. This has been such a wonderful, uplifting conversation. I have such a respect for other religions where they scream amen and they stand up and they raise their hands. I love that they express that. I'm not saying I wish we were doing that. I just love, like you were saying, this idea that we're all buried in snow. No one's buried any further than the other person not hand reaching down to pull us out.
Speaker 1:The avalanche is our savior and um, and it just equals the playing field, man, in a way that social media could never understand. That we're just all in this together as brothers and sisters, and none of it matters except for Jesus. Right, like literally all that is going to be okay because of him. So thank you for choosing this talk and I'm confident many of our listeners are going to hear this and just give themselves a little benefit of the doubt for crying out loud Like if you were worthy enough to hold a Temple Recommend interview. How great is that, how great of a job are you doing and how great is it that the Savior is enough for all that. So thank you, brother. I sure appreciate you being on the show, and if you're not, it's okay.
Speaker 2:You're still on the road. Keep on walking the road and there are people here for you that want to walk alongside you no one more than the Savior. If you are struggling with worthiness and you don't currently have a temple recommend and you are spending your time listening to Temple Bound, you are firmly on the road. Keep walking it, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it doesn't matter. It's the direction and momentum that we're heading in that matters most. It's the effort that the Lord loves most. I thank you for balancing that out, Sky. I love that. So yeah, man. Thank you so much for being on the show. I know we'll have you back, because I absolutely love how your brain thinks. So yeah, man, we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 2:All right, Thanks Will.
Speaker 1:Thanks again for listening to today's episode of Temple Bound. If you enjoyed today's show, make sure to join us over on Instagram at Temple Bound Podcast to receive additional information as well as previews of our upcoming episodes. See you over there, thank you.
