Temple Bound
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Temple Bound
Debunking "Bad Marriage Advice" for Temple-Sealed Couples with Monica Tanner
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In this thought-provoking episode of Temple Bound, we dive into the controversial truths behind commonly given marriage advice, especially for those sealed in the temple. Monica Tanner, author of Bad Marriage Advice, joins us to challenge traditional perspectives that can unintentionally harm marriages rather than help them.
Monica shares her unique journey from being raised Jewish to converting to the LDS Church and how her 23 years of marriage and decades of coaching have shaped her insights. She reveals why some widely accepted counsel, like "divorce is not an option" or "never go to bed angry," can be damaging when taken as absolute truths.
Learn why agency and choice are essential in marriage, how to recognize and navigate emotional abuse even within a temple-sealed relationship, and why taking pauses during conflict can be a powerful tool for growth. Monica also reflects on her personal motivation for writing this book: a heartfelt letter to her young son as he prepares for marriage.
Whether you’re newlywed, preparing for the temple, or a seasoned spouse, this episode encourages you to rethink rigid marriage advice and embrace a healthier, more honest approach to creating lasting love.
Tune in for:
- Real talk about the myth that “divorce is not an option”
- The importance of choice and accountability in marriage
- Why sometimes "going to bed angry" might be okay
- Practical tips for emotional health and conflict resolution
- Breaking free from harmful cultural expectations around temple marriage
Get ready to expand your horizons and strengthen your most sacred relationship.
Introduction to Monica's Jewish Background
Speaker 1Welcome to Temple Bound. Today's guest is Monica Tanner, and she's going to be sharing her journey from being born into a Jewish family and how she became a member of the church and later a coach to marriage couples across the world. She has such an amazing story and we're going to get to hear a unique take on the temple as she tells her journey, of what it was like for her to be exposed to the church from her faith background and then to be a member of the church now, and what that means to her Enjoying the show. Monica, thank you so much for being on Temple Bound. Your story I cannot wait to get into. So I've already done the intro, as you know, so let's get right into it. What's your story? Tell us?
Speaker 2your background. First of all, thanks for having me, Will. I'm really excited to be here, but I don't know where you want me to start. But I was born and raised a little Jewish girl in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 1I think that's a good starting point. I don't think most people on the podcast are used to hearing that exact word. So you were born in a Jewish family in Texas Got it.
Speaker 2Yeah, all branches of my family all the way back are, as far as I've been able to find, are Jewish.
Speaker 1So that's amazing, and so as what was that like for you growing up in Texas?
Speaker 2I loved it. I mean, growing up in Texas was great. I didn't know any different, and I don't know if you know a lot of people from Texas, but we have a lot of pride. A lot of people fly the Texas flag. You know they've got. We make Texas waffles and we wear Texas on our shirt and we just think Texas is the greatest place on the planet.
Speaker 1Because it is the greatest place on the planet.
Speaker 2I have a flag in my garage as well.
Speaker 1born and raised in El Paso, so yeah, I love this like strong cultural way you were raised, because there's this really strong Texan kind of thing. But then obviously the Jewish community has such a strong pride as well regarding their descendants and ancestry.
Speaker 2It's true, it's true, and we'll get into a little bit later. I'll tell you um how, that, how that um bleeds in a little bit more. But I did find out that my fifth great grandpa came from straight off the boat in Pennsylvania. And um, no, philadelphia, philadelphia is in Pennsylvania, right.
Speaker 1I'm the wrong person to ask. I'm from Texas. That's the center.
Speaker 2I'm pretty sure there's a port in the port of Philadelphia, anyways, he's right off. The boat came down to Texas and um settled in a place called Victoria, texas, and so I mean I have a book about him and he had a mercantile and a bank and is very, very famous in this little town called Victoria, Texas. So lots of strong roots in Texas. Fifth generation Texan, third generation University of Texas graduate, hook them horns. So a lot of Texas pride runs through these veins.
Speaker 1And then how many siblings did you have growing up?
Speaker 2I have one adopted younger brother and two stepsisters.
Speaker 1Okay, so very you know powerful way to start your journey. And then, um, yeah, tell me about, like, how that developed into becoming a member of the church. Or is there more before that piece?
Speaker 2developed into becoming a member of the church, or is there more before that piece? Well, so when I was in grade school, um, and middle school, I went to a private school in Texas and it was about half and half half Jewish kids, half Christian kids, and so when you know, the Jewish kids would do really weird things like eat, bring matzah for lunch, uh, during Passover and things like that. There was a big group of us. So I mean, you know, we did sit by ourselves and eat our peanut butter and jelly matzah sandwiches and things like that, Um, but it was just like kind of normal cause there was plenty of us there, yeah, Um, but when my parents divorced when I was 12 and so I started eighth grade in a public school and there was no Jewish kids, like zero, and uh, so it was really interesting because I would make you know really good friends in Texas as part of the Bible bell, it's very, very Christian, and so I would make friends and they would be like you have to accept Jesus and be baptized or you're going to hell, Like my.
Speaker 2All my friends would tell me this, Right, and so I did a lot with young life and I went to church with a lot of them and I think I always just kind of had my reservations. Like I asked some pretty deep questions like you know, what about the people that don't know about Jesus? They're going to hell. And you know, the answer was like yeah, and I'm like wait, they were sent to earth to go to hell. Like it just didn't make a lot of sense to me. Um, and then I also was a little bit put off as I felt like you'd go to church and like half the sermon was on like raising money for the new building or something like that, you know, and I thought, well, I mean, if I wanted to be sold to, I can go to a timeshare.
Speaker 1I could go anywhere, right, I didn't know yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, I wasn't super familiar with timeshares at the time, but, yeah, I just felt like I get sold to everywhere and then I come to church and I'm like here we go, let's put money in the plate, you know? Yeah, so there was just a few things character, like you know.
Questioning Christianity as a Jewish Teen
Speaker 1I didn't see why. I mean, I grew up, so one of my best friends growing up was was Jewish as well Robbie Bushwald, and it was me, him and another guy named Ryan who was a Christian scientist, and so we just made fun of each other's religions nonstop. And it was funny because I also got exposed to the Jewish faith very, very early and it's it's something that I get. It it's such a you know, in the Jewish faith, if I understand it correctly, there's there is no hell. So you know, christianity is running around saying do this or you're going to go to hell, and it's just very polar and kind of intense. I could only imagine.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just thought it was interesting. I'm like well, maybe I was sent here to go to my questions when I was in high school. Then I went to college and this is the like how in depth do you want me to go on my conversion story?
Speaker 1I think whatever you feel like sharing, because I know that my audience right now is going. Wait a minute. How did you go from being Jewish? To a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, especially when Christianity's exposure was this really intense kind of polar piece of it. So, maybe get some high level like key things that shifted that mindset for you, like was there one thing in particular that really like like an aha moment for you, or you know what was that like, yeah, well, there was a lot of just really cool moments.
Speaker 2But when I was in high school, my grandfather so when I was but when I was in high school, my grandfather so when I was, uh, I was probably 13 or 14 when my grandma passed away. So this is my paternal on the paternal side, my dad's parents and they I felt like they were so in love. I kind of grew up going to their house for sleepovers and things like that and they just were this cool couples, very in love. So when I was 14, my grandma passed away and my grandpa was always so sad without her, like he really really missed her, and so that was kind of what I held up as my because my parents divorced most of my friends' parents were divorced. I my other grandparents on the other side, were divorced, and so there was really a lot of divorce and a lot of unhappiness, and so this was kind of the relationship I held up as like this is what I want, Right, yes, and so when I was a senior in high school, my grandpa was in a nursing home really close to my high school.
Speaker 2So I would visit him all the time and he was just a very simple man. He never went to college. My dad was like the first one in that line. My grandma was very educated. So my grandma came from the line of uh Levi's who settled in Victoria. So they're very, very rich. And when she wanted to marry my grandpa she was like completely disowned. But they loved each other.
Speaker 2So. So my grandpa was a very simple man. He never went to college, but he had so much advice for me. So when he found out that I was going to college, he was so proud of me and he was just like Monica, do not waste this experience. Right Like go to college, come out of college becoming something. Right Like don't just don't get all involved in the partying and the drinking and he's like that stuff's fun, but make sure you you do what you went there to do. Right, great advice. Yeah, he was so great and I spent so much time with him my senior year in high school. And so then I went to the University of Texas, like all my parents and other side of the grandparents before me, and had a wonderful, wonderful freshman year. I mean so much fun. But in October of my freshman year my grandpa passed and I was so sad I wasn't able to be there.
Speaker 2I didn't, I couldn't. It was very sudden in the middle of the night and so I was very sad. And I don't know if you're familiar with this country song. I got to figure out who sings it. I haven't told this story in a long time, but it the lyrics are there's holes in the floor of heaven and her tears are pouring down, and so I remember just being so sad hearing the news that my grandpa had passed. But I was also really happy for him because in my mind and this was not like a Jewish teaching, but in my mind it was like I could. I I envisioned my grandma and my grandpa sitting next to each other in these rocking chairs, holding hands, and there's holes in the floor of heaven and they're like watching me. And so I decided right then and there that I wasn't going to drink anymore.
Speaker 1Cause, which is very, again, this is very typical of our faith, but not typical outside. Like this is a very especially at that age, at college, at the university of Texas, like that's something that is a very distinct, like impression that you feel Right.
College Encounters and Divine Coincidences
Speaker 2It was very different, right, and I didn't tell anybody why, but you know, when I I started on my freshman year and we would take turns, so I had in my roommate, in the place where I stayed, there was five of us girls and we would take turns being the designated driver each weekend, right, and so you know, everybody dreaded their, their turn, right, but everybody else was so grateful. But after this experience I was just like you know, I'm not, I'm not 21 yet, I'm not going to drink, I will just be the designated driver. And let me tell you that was a popularity move. Oh, I bet you became. Everyone wanted to hang out with me on the weekends.
Speaker 2Cause you were their light ride home right, cause I was a designated driver and I cannot tell you how much time I spent holding hair back and getting people ready for bed and people cussing at me Cause I'm ripping them away from this boy that I know was going to date, rape them, and I'm just like you're coming home with me, like you know.
Speaker 2So I was very popular but, um, anyways, I would go to these parties and the university of Texas is huge, but I would go to these parties and a lot of times there was this guy there and he was this good looking kid and he also wasn't drinking, and so we would stand in the corner of the party and we would drink our water and we would just laugh at our friends and at the end of the night we would gather them all up you know, we both kind of had this in common and take them home safely, right, wow? And so I would see him all over the place all the time and it was so weird Because it's a massive campus Like this is like running into someone in a city.
Speaker 2Right, right. So the odds of doing it more than once at multiple parties was very strange, and we never like collaborated or anything. It was just like we'd see each other and be like, oh my gosh, hey, how's it going Right, and we would do our thing. So that was like my freshman year of college. So at the end of my freshman year of college my roommates all went home for the summer and I I got a job as an RA and so I stayed for the summer and I took classes and I was pre-med. And the way my schedule worked is I would get up in the morning and I would go, I would spend the morning in the um, the NICU, uh, recovery room.
Speaker 2So I would see these little kids as they would come out of surgery, these babies and you know we, they'd be coming down off the anesthesia and they'd be very upset, and so my job was just to help like.
Speaker 1Oh my gosh, go get babies, or if you could, or whatever.
Speaker 2Yeah, Anything that I could do to just be helpful in that infant recovery room. And then I would have lunch and then I had these two classes medical terminology and anatomy or something else, Right, and that was my day and I was like basically all my friends were gone and so it was just like you know, I just kind of threw myself into my schoolwork and stuff like that and I had a medical terminology in this massive auditorium, you know, the one that's like slanted down like this, hundreds of people, yes.
Speaker 2And I'm a front sitter and so I would be in the very. I was in the very front of this big auditorium and I remember looking up in the back corner, way far away, and seeing this kid like my buddy.
Speaker 1Wow.
Speaker 2And at the end of class I rushed up and he had kind of waited for me and I was like what are you doing here? And he's like well, I'm pre-med and you know, so we're walking to my next class. And this is also very interesting. I was in anatomy and he had a different class, but it was like right next, like in the same building, right next to each other.
Speaker 2So what ended up happening is we're like talking about our schedules and he was interning with a surgeon that he so he was doing surgery. Like getting to watch surgery on these babies that I was then getting in the infant recovery room.
Speaker 1Your lines are overlapping in like four different domains like completely not random.
Speaker 2I mean, it's so random this looks so almost intentional.
Speaker 2Right? I certainly don't think there's any coincidences here, right? So what we would do is we would do we would work in the hospital in the morning, then we would have lunch together and then we would go to our classes and then we would study, and that was like the, you know, a month or so of the summer. And so we got really, really close. And then, um, so every summer, my, we would do a family reunion in this little place called Frio, texas, a little nowhere place and it's just the little river, and my family would just basically drink beer and float in these inner tubes down the river. I'm sure you've seen it, there's an inner tube for the beer cooler, and that's all you're doing is just drinking beer and floating down the river. So, um, this would be the first time that I would be driving there without my family, you know, and it was like a three hour drive or something from Austin.
Speaker 2And my dad was like I need you to invite a friend. I can don't want you doing this drive on your own. And I was like, well, I only have one friend here and it's a boy. My dad's like even better, invite him, it'll be great. So I invited him to this family reunion and it was crazy because on the way there he's basically talking to me about um. Well, let me start with I think we had a. We went on a kind of a date before that and I remember him telling me about his high school experience where he went on these group dates and he didn't drink. It was the first time I knew that. I mean, I knew he didn't drink because I'd experienced that. But like he was saying that you know he didn't drink, he didn't smoke, he didn't do drugs, like he was really close with his mom, like all this weird stuff, and I was like this is very odd.
Speaker 2Yeah Cool, but so different than I've never met anyone like this, and part of that was he. He wasn't going to have premarital sex, and I remember thinking like what planet does a boy like this come from? Like I just couldn't believe it, like it was very, very strange.
Speaker 1And I never met anyone who, like, had these values, like this was it attractive or off-putting, like what was that for you?
Speaker 2it was very attractive, but I just thought I mean you're a good-looking kid, I mean you could definitely be bagging babes anytime you want.
Speaker 1It was just weird, just weird to hear it all together. Yeah, yeah, and he's super kind and super into you, which is so great.
First Church Experiences and Missionaries
Speaker 2Yeah, oh yeah. He really liked me During finals of my freshman year. He kept asking me out on a date. He wanted me to go with him because this is going to date me. But Finding Nemo was coming out and he kept asking he's like a group of us are going to see this movie, finding Nemo, and I like was like you are so weird. Like I have to study for finals. Like why would I go see a children's cartoon? Totally I was like that's weird, that was off. Putting the rest of it was really cool. He just like told me stories about high school and his mom and just I just thought he was like a cool quality kid. Like how did how does this happen? Right? Um, probably the first real Mormon that I'd ever met.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2So, anyways, we're driving this three hour drive down to Frio Texas and he's telling me about, you know, forever families and the doctrine of eternal families, like just really cool stuff. That I was like wow, like so cool. So we get to Frio Texas and we're checking in and he's like hey, I have this idea. He's like I bet I can find a church nearby. He's like I think on Sunday we should go to church and I was like that's weird. Like we're on vacation. Nobody goes to church on vacation.
Speaker 1Yeah, this is finding Nemo weird Just like. What are you doing?
Speaker 2Yeah, I thought it was weird but I was like all right, well, I mean, if you find us a church, we can go. I didn't love being with my family when they're all drinking, like. I mean, it's like a family reunion but slightly dysfunctional, I mean you know.
Speaker 2So anyways, I was like, yes, if that distracts me from, you know, having to sit in the river and watch everyone drink beer, that sounds great. So he found a church about 45 minutes away so we do the family reunion thing. He's meeting my family, it's really cool. And like Saturday night he's like comes to me and he's like listen. He's like I think you're going to be more comfortable in this church building If you are wearing a skirt of some sort or a dress. And I was like I got, I brought bathing suits.
Speaker 1Yeah, you're on vacation and, by the way, the church chapel is not like down the street, it's 45 minutes.
Speaker 2It was like 45 minutes away and I was like I brought bathing suits and cut off jean shorts. So I'm asking around for like any type of any type of skirts. And I have an aunt who's super cute and she had this very short like coverup type skirt and I was like sure, I'll take it. So Sunday morning we get dressed. I'm wearing this little spaghetti scrap, spaghetti strap shirt and a little skirt. I mean, this Texas, in the middle of like August, right, it's pretty hot. So, um, we go to church and, uh, we get there. So this is really funny. We get there and I like people's I it's a little branch and the greeters or the people who are like their eyes are like bugging out of their head. He's wearing jeans and a t-shirt and I'm wearing this little spaghetti strap. They knew that we were not regulars.
Speaker 1This was clearly not their regular crowd.
Speaker 2So we go in. I didn't notice too much that I was dressed differently. I mean, maybe it just there was a lot going on, I don't. But sacrament meeting was really cool. They talked about it Basically, they talked about the Holy ghost and how all of us have the spirit of discernment. It's just like really cool talk. And later, many years later, I went back and found the woman who gave this talk, cause I thought it was so cool. She compared it to like a camera. I can't remember all of the analogies that she made, but it was really cool and I understood it really well. But when the sacrament came around and he was explaining it to me, like I think he was a little too, he must've been a little too demonstrative, because after sacrament meeting somebody came up and was like I've got it been a little too demonstrative. Because after sacrament meeting somebody came up and was like I've got it, I've got it, you're a member and you are not. And he was like yeah, and he's like this is her first time at church.
Speaker 2Could we figure out how to and this is back when we had three hour church could we figure out a way to have the missionaries teach her during relief society? And he's like, I don't want to send her to Relief Society on her own. Can we do a lesson? And so I went to. I remember going to Sunday school and that was completely over my head. And then these two sweet elders taught me the first discussion in the third hour. And so funny to think about, because there was a definite like senior companion and then the newer companion. And this is back when they memorized the discussions Right and this kid had such a hard time remembering what he was supposed to say.
Speaker 1And so he's like stuttering through like a script. Yeah, and I was like man I'm.
Speaker 2I must've been so distracting to this poor kid, I'm sure from Utah, who had like never seen anyone dress like this.
Speaker 1First day on the mission.
Speaker 2Probably you know they're like I don't even say this, he's like I don't know my lines, but it was great. They gave me a book of Mormon, they highlighted it up. We went back and he kind of taught me about keeping the Sabbath day holy on the way back from church, and so I was like, cool, let's do it. So we made lunch for my family and they came in from swimming and stuff and we, you know, we had lunch and my stepsisters were Methodist and so, like, after lunch, my stepsisters and Donnie is his name I've never told you his name yeah, donnie had this incredible discussion about scriptures in the Bible and I was like super impressed that he knew all these scripture references. And, like you know, they were asking him tons of questions about church and he was, you know, answering them and they're flipping through the scriptures and I thought, wow, that's impressive and cool. Right, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2So, uh, so the weekend ends and we go back to school and it was like so, so in the summer there's like two summer semesters, you know. So, with the first semester was exactly like I described it. The second semester he wasn't taking any classes, he had moved. He was moving back to his parents who lived like maybe an hour outside of Austin. Um, his dad was really sick, I think, and so he was spending some time out there and I remember it was like a Thursday it was the Thursday after and we hadn't really talked or anything and I was taking a shower and I remember thinking I want to go back to church, like I think it would be, like I feel like I want to go back there, and so I actually switched days. So here's the other funny thing is, like my roommate and I one of us had to work in the office on the weekends, right, so one of us had Saturday and one of us had Sunday, and having working on Saturday was the crappy shift because all the kids are hanging out and having fun stuff.
Speaker 2Right, and Sunday was like you. You always wanted to be working on Sunday. So I was supposed to work on Sunday and she was working on Saturday and there was a big rafting trip and a big party. And I said, hey, I will switch you, so I can be off on Sunday and I'll work. I'll work your Saturday and so I can be off on Sunday. And she was like thrilled.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. You're basically the coolest person in college. You're the one working on Saturday, so that everyone else can have that Saturday.
Speaker 2Right, right, seriously, I was seriously the most popular. So I called Donnie on this Thursday evening and I said I think I want to go to church again. Will you take me? And he was like uh, yes, I will. I will come Saturday night after work and pick you up and we will go to church with my parents on Sunday. And I was like cool, so he picks me up in his this really cool convertible car.
Miraculous Connections with Monica's Father
Speaker 2It's like beautiful weather in Austin. We're driving out to this um, I feel like it was called dripping springs or something Anyways where his parents another branch. So a lot of pull. Um, I get there to his parents' house and so his parents live on this property and his parents' house is right next to his sister's house, who's married with this little two-year-old girl. So we pull up. It's a Saturday night and, I kid you not, I was like did we just drive into the 1950s? Like his mom was like, greeted us at the door, she's wearing an apron, the house smells amazing. There's this beautiful little family and this two two-year-old blonde girl who is like the center of attention on a Saturday night.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And I'm like what is happening.
Speaker 1I've come back in time. Well, yeah, cause you're, you were. It was interesting Cause I feel like your grandparents were this beautiful example of what love looks like in a marriage and that everything else in your world was kind of just more of the typical out points that you yeah, chaotic out points, confusions, all those things that people go through normally. So you have these really polar examples. I can see you connecting the grandparents to this thing that you're walking into, like this feels familiar, it feels you know just that kind of thing it's. It's really cool.
Speaker 2It just was nothing I'd ever experienced before, and so you know they. They had a bedroom for me and I remember waking up and his mom is in an apron again and the whole family is gathering for breakfast that she had like prepared. Yeah, sit down at the table and we say a prayer, and I'm like what is actually happening right now?
Speaker 1It was awesome.
Speaker 2I mean, the spirit was so strong, it just was such cool, like if I could create something magical, this would be it. And so everybody's dressed for church. We go to church again. I'm I'm wearing something super inappropriate, I have no idea like where, I borrowed a skirt from my roommate or something, um, and so we go to church, and then in third hour again, I got the second discussion from a completely different set of missionaries, and after church we went back to his house and we watched a couple of videos. One of them had, um, steve young in it. The other one was about the savior, and I remember when I watched that video about the Savior I was like, yeah, I like this one, like this Jesus, yeah, this version of Jesus makes sense Not to send you to earth, just to go to hell, kind of thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, I was like he seems loving and I remember asking his family and then the missionaries just a lot of my questions and getting much better answers about who the Savior was and, like you know, we're not all just going to hell type of thing. So that was really cool. And then the third Sunday, donnie was like I'm going to take you to the university ward.
Speaker 1Have you been dating him by this time? Like are you guys like romantic?
Speaker 2I think we were kind of dating. I think we were kind of dating at this point, sort of.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, so nothing like serious or committed, but you guys are mostly friends.
Speaker 2We like, we definitely liked each other. There was def, there was a definite attraction. Now, yeah. Okay, so he takes me to the university ward and then I was like, oh my gosh, there's like hundreds of you like people that don't drink and smoke and have premarital sex Like I was like this is blowing my mind. I had no idea these types of people existed and they're all our age.
Speaker 1Yeah, it was nuts, that is so. It must've been mind blowing Again. You thought Donnie has this like diamond in the rough and then you just hit this diamond mind. Yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 2here. I was like how are, how do all these people exist? And I've never met any of them. It was crazy. So that was really cool, uh, getting to go to the university award. And then from there on out we went to the university award. I started taking some Institute classes. I had the most incredible Institute teacher. He's very famous on the like um on the education week circuit. His name is Randall right.
Speaker 1Randall right yes.
Speaker 2And he's written. He's written lots of books and he was the Institute director and when I started my sophomore year I was taking several Institute. I was probably taking as many Institute classes as I was college classes. In between every class I would be there in the Institute hanging out with Randall right, who was always just chilling. He basically, like you know, adopted me into his family. I would do Sunday dinners at their house.
Speaker 2I just remember walking in and his you know they'd be making brisket, they're super, super great brisket and there would just be shoes in the front entryway and I just like he just was so welcoming All of these kids that just loved life and loved the gospel and, you know, loved to do the right thing, just all hanging out all the time it was.
Speaker 1It was a family. It was like you got into a family.
Speaker 2Yeah, it was unreal. I was like, absolutely, this is how I'm raising my family. Yeah, so the the very first in Frio, texas, I had one set of missionaries and then in dripping Springs I had another set of missionaries and then I was introduced to the university elders and that was the one who he bore his testimony to me and was unreal. And I remember thinking after he bore his testimony I was like I want to know what that kid knows. And they invited me to baptism and I agreed and after that they handed me off to the sisters. So now I had gone through four sets of missionaries and I just thought these were the most amazing people on the planet and my and I really hard time getting baptized, because of course now I'm telling my family about it and my Jewish becoming Christian.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's intense yeah, and my Jewish dad is reading every piece of anti-mormon literature he could possibly get his hands on, yeah, and calling me and he's like racism and sexism and like all of these.
Speaker 2He's like firing all these things at me and I'm like dad, I just I don't think that's right, right, and I couldn't defend it with anything. But I do remember like firing all these questions at the, at the missionaries, and it was difficult because my dad was chirping in one ear and then, you know, I I knew I was doing the right thing in the other ear and I remember my sisters uh said, uh, let's fast about it. And so we did a fast and I asked my dad if he would meet me halfway so Austin and Dallas are three hours apart so I asked him if he would meet me in Waco, halfway in between the two, for lunch one Friday, when I, you know, I didn't have class or something and he did, and we sat in a restaurant and I basically just told him my experience and bore my testimony. I think my dad's biggest fear is that I was like doing this for a boy, that I was, just, like you know, based on the anti-Mormon literature.
Speaker 1it could be very scary as a parent to think without having all the experiences you had, just like, wait a minute, you're doing this for a boy and you're getting wrapped up into something you don't understand.
Speaker 2Yeah, so many cool miracles, because I'm telling my dad this story and then my dad tells me a story that's so cool and oh my gosh, and it all like wraps up so cool. But he told me this story about how my so, my dad, always worked out at five in the morning every morning and there was this group of guys that worked out at the gym and he, they always worked out around him. They never talked to him but he, you know, he knew enough about them. They all had these young families. They were all very successful, just really cool men. My dad always just really like looked up to them and one day one of them was like not coming anymore, Like he just wasn't. And so, um, my dad like noticed his absence and went up to this group and said where is this one guy who was always with you? And they were like he, he was a DEA agent, uh, worked and his helicopter went down and crashed and so he's in, you know, intensive care or whatever.
Speaker 2And my dad said he just started praying for this man that he'd never really met. And about a year later, this, this man who was burned over a big, a big area of his body and just super emaciated, came into the gym and my dad immediately knew who he was, went up to him, introduced himself and they became workout partners and they knew each other so intimately. They had been working out together for about a year. So this is all was all happening prior to this. And so here is this man that my dad has so much respect for and love for, and my dad's going, my daughter's in college and she's trying to join this cult. And I'm freaking out and Matt his name is. Matt is like tell me about it. And so my dad starts explaining it and he says I'm a member of that church, I'm a return missionary, like, what are your questions?
Speaker 2And so Matt starts teaching my dad the gospel my word so when we're sitting down to lunch, my dad said okay, I hear you. Thank you for sharing all of this with me. If you want to get baptized, I will support you what a miracle, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1What an amazing series of events. It's so fun. As you're talking honestly, monica, I'm just feeling so inspired around how the Lord put so many pieces into motion over such a long period of time. Like Matt is working out. I'm not saying the accident happened for that purpose, but the atonement was used to help that purpose serve your dad in this state so that when you had that lunch he had this complete open mind. Like it was such a shift for him because he had his own experience but didn't even know it.
Speaker 1He didn't know he was having that experience until you were doing this thing and he's got to talk to his friend about it Like it's just unbelievably cool how all these things were put in motion.
Temple Experience and Finding Love
Speaker 2And that they knew each other for such a long period of time and never discussed that this Jewish man and this Mormon man, who were workout buddies- yeah, and known each other, for they know each other, they love each other, they pray for each other.
Speaker 1Unbelievable.
Speaker 2Yeah, so cool, right, so I get baptized. It's an amazing experience. Here's an interesting piece of it Donnie, who I had asked to baptize me. Yeah, the man. Yeah, he did some things he wasn't supposed to do. So the night before my baptism, the Bishop called me and said Donnie will not be able to baptize you. Is there anyone else you would like to? And I Like what? Yeah, um, so uh, the, the, the elder who had born his testimony to me in the university ward. The name was elder Thompson and his birthday's on Christmas. So is Donnie's. So the two most like impactful men in teaching me the gospel they both have Christmas birthdays. Is that weird?
Speaker 2Every Christmas I text both of them message them and just let them know how grateful I am for both of them.
Speaker 1Amazing. So you just kind of said something that, like I'm, I want to jump ahead because I I'm assuming you've married Donnie but, you're texting him, I'm like, oh, wait a minute, you're not telling him in the morning, so so you don't marry Donnie.
Speaker 2No, no, no, no, no. So I get baptized. And now Donnie has had some trend. He's had some issues. Sure, he should. He should have been on a mission our freshman year in college.
Speaker 2Got it and he had some problems and so he was not going on a mission. He was like grappling with the idea Do I go on a mission, do I not go on a mission? Then he had some more problems right before I got baptized. So my mission after I got baptized was to get this kid on a mission. I was like, listen, I am not marrying anyone who has not been on a mission because now I'm indoctrinated, right.
Speaker 1Yeah, totally Well. Interesting because the way he approached you this whole journey, he sounds like a powerful missionary.
Speaker 2And I'm certain he was a very powerful missionary. He wanted to marry me very bad and I was like there is no shot, we are getting married until you go on a mission. And so we read scriptures together, we like now his family had moved.
Speaker 2I traveled and went to him and spoke at his farewell and he goes on a mission basically proposed to me, like he was basically like I'm coming home from my mission, we are getting married, and I was like okay, go serve your heart out. And he and he did. But about halfway through his mission I met somebody else.
Speaker 1And that is your husband today, and that is your husband today, and that is my husband today. Oh, my story. Okay, is there anything else? I have some questions for you, but I want to. Before I do that, is there anything else regarding this, this conversion story, that you want to hit upon?
Speaker 2I don't just the miracles, just that God knew me that it had to be a really good looking guy who was like in all the right places at all the right times to teach me the gospel.
Speaker 1What a beautiful thing that you needed each other. Like this thing about friendship and shared values. Having aligned values put you in the right places in general, but the Lord kept putting you in more places together and how his family and the Institute teacher, teacher and teacher and your dad's workout buddy, and the way that these eight missionaries came together around you. Like the conversion story. It just talks about what a beautiful master class on how the Lord works miraculously. And you tell this story to someone who's maybe just hearing just the facts, portions of it. It just sounds like some coincidence.
Speaker 1But when you're living it and you're hearing it from the lens of the gospel, these are the things that I don't think we can tell people about and help them understand that. These are the things our testimonies are based on. It's like when people hear outpoints from the anti-Mormon doctrine and they're seeing these outpoints and there's some very compelling points when you look at them in an isolated case, no question, but they can't compare to the miracles that we experienced through the gospel. So you go through this journey. You get baptized, because this is temple bound, especially coming from a Jewish background. What was your experience of going through the temple for the first time?
Speaker 2So this is a cool story. So that summer that I graduated, I think, I sent Donnie on a mission and then I was doing a lot of family history work and the Institute director, his wife, was like a professional genealogist she's amazing. So we took a trip that summer, me and my Institute director and his wife, to Victoria Texas.
Speaker 1Victoria Texas.
Speaker 2Yes, where my grant, my great, great, great great grandfather settled and we found 120. Back then family history work was so hard Like it's so funny to me now when I think about it, but finding like one name on one microfiche was like months. Yeah, it was insane. But we went. We took this road trip to Victoria, texas, and I I kid you, not we we there was this little historical building and it looked closed and so we pulled up and we were just like we're just like heartbroken.
Speaker 2And of course Randall Wright gets out of the car and he's like looking in the windows and he's like, no, this is where we're supposed to be. He's like I know we're supposed to be here and this man comes out of this seemingly closed lock building and of course Randall Wright's like I have this girl with me and her great, great, great great grandfather was Abraham Levi and this guy was like what? I just wrote a paper on Abraham Levi and he opens up this building and takes me inside. I have the, the original plans for his first house I have like books about him settling in Victoria.
Speaker 2I have these beautiful like letters that are written my uh, one of his sons, spoke at a commencement ceremony at the university of Texas at Austin and somehow I got 120 of my ancestors names from this. We have pictures of gravestones like all of this from this one trip to Victoria, texas. It was so cool and so I'm like getting like goosebumps, yeah, telling you the story.
Speaker 2So now I have all these names that I'm ready to take to the temple and brother writes like Kate, it's time for you to get ready to go to the temple. So I did. I went to my bishop and I said I'm ready to go to the temple and I was dating this boy. It was a new boy, he was the elders quorum president and he really wanted to marry me. Like really bad, and I was like you know what? Breaking up with him was very difficult. My parents actually really liked him and he was a kind of a Dell millionaire he had. He worked for Dell in high school and then he went on his mission and that's when Dell just completely blew up. He came home to a ton of Dell stock, so he had a couple of homes and a boat and he was just, he was pretty sad, um, and so my parents were like, yes, this is good. And I was like I'm just not feeling it. I want to go on a mission.
Speaker 2So I had broken up with him and he was just very, very difficult. Um, oh wait, I had. Oh, shoot, I ruined the story. I hadn't broken up with him yet. So I get ready to go to the temple and I'm taking these 120 names and, uh, I so you haven't been through yet. I haven't been through the temple yet. Okay, wait, wait, wait, I'm getting. I'm actually getting confused in the story here, actually. So I didn't, I don't think I had the 120 names yet. I was just getting ready to go through the temple for myself. That's what? Yes, okay, so here's how it happened. So I went through the temple for myself and I immediately knew in the temple, when I went through for the very first time, I listened to the covenants and I knew in the temple that this boy was not the boy and that I should go on a mission. And so after I got out of the temple, I broke up with the boy.
Speaker 1Same on your on your first visit to the temple, you get revelation. He's not the one, and you?
Speaker 2break with him and he was there in the temple. He came with us.
Speaker 1What was your overall impression of the temple, by the way?
Speaker 2It was interesting, Um, it was neat because I had a lot of. It was kind of I had a lot of people that came with me. So there wasn't a temple in Austin I don't think there is still actually, maybe there is anyways but we had to go to Dallas for the temple and a lot of the people from the singles ward there came with me. Okay, Um, and then I had Matt and his wife, the kind of angel who you know helped my dad, Um, and then I had Randall, right and his wife, and then some of their children, so it was like a very full session of my people. So I think of all my impressions of the temple, it was just so amazing to feel that love and support and being there with you know, the people I loved most at this point in my life, Um, just all there to support me. I think that was the biggest feeling I felt in the temple.
Speaker 1Love that and then somehow in that period you just get clear as well that this guy is not the one. You get out and you break up with them.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah and some other like really funny things happen too. So we get back, we go back to Austin and it's fast and testimony meeting and, like I said, a lot of people went with me through the temple and so then fast and testimony meeting is basically this meeting about me going through the temple.
Speaker 1Everyone's getting up going. I just, I felt the spirit when I saw her go through the veil.
Speaker 2It was cool. And then I, you know, I obviously told my experience and my future husband was in the audience and he was like that I got to meet that girl, Right. But here's the funny thing. Here's the funny thing. But here's the funny thing. Here's the funny thing. I look over and the missionary who baptized me and several of the missionaries that had come for that occasion.
Speaker 1Still missionaries or no longer being missionaries.
Speaker 2Yes, yes, it's like a year later to almost two years later. So I look over and they're all there in the audience, right, and I was convinced that this elder Thompson, who had baptized me, I was like, oh, he came back to get me, like we're getting married, like this is happening. But it was also like a huge mission reunion for them, because the sisters that baptized me were there. And then he was there. And then you know now I know how missions work, but you know, it was all like a big, like you know kind of reunion reunion Right. So right after that meeting, that that sacrament meeting, we were all planning on going over to their apartment and having lunch and I mean dinner, and you know they played guitar and I'm like falling in love. I mean, I already knew that, I like really liked him, but like now I'm like falling in love with this guy and I'm like convinced that he came back to get me.
Speaker 1Yeah for sure. Well, your track record would would prove that's probably the case.
Speaker 2So, yeah, so, so my, my future husband was there in the audience. He saw me. He's like I got to meet that girl. He's like I got to meet that girl. He's like trying to figure out. He. He's he tells the story really funny. He's like I got up and I went over to the aisle and he's like you just walked right past me. He's like, so I had to figure out a different way. So he's like getting his roommate to talk to one of my roommates and then he's like trying to figure out how he can meet me.
Speaker 2But I have, like I'm, a singular focus. I'm like, no, I'm hanging out with elder Thompson. His first name is David. I'm hanging out with David tonight. Like I, my, I have plans, you know.
Speaker 2So anyways, um, so that was cool to have all my missionaries there, and I remember just needing help with the garment and like all those things. I'm like, ah, how do I dress? And this is crazy and there's static, and like, yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. Um, so, um, so, yeah, so that was kind of that. And but my, but okay, so David and I, david Thompson and I we went on on a couple of dates and it was really cool because I got to know him as a person, not a missionary, and you know, I was kind of like, hmm, he's not the one, but but you know, it was like the really cool. Like I was debating, I didn't know whether to go on a mission or not go on a mission and I, but you know, I had just had this really strong impression that there was somebody I needed to meet and that somebody was you. And you know, of course, I was like, yeah, you changed my life, like your testimony is what, like you know, made me, you know, whatever. So we had this, these really, really cool moments, but it was like not it yeah.
Speaker 2So that opened the door for my husband and he was very persistent and he was there selling for the summer and so for the rest of the summer. So we met um, it's actually kind of funny after an Institute class. So my, my roommates were like you have to meet this guy, he's really cute, he wants to meet you. And I was like, all right if he, if he comes to Institute class, I'll meet him. And he didn't.
Speaker 2I didn't know how summer sales worked at the time, but he couldn't, he was selling right into late, um, but after Institute. So there's Institute, and then there's like the Longer, and I was kind of looking for him and he wasn't there and so I was like no, if he doesn't come to Institute class, like no way. But it was his birthday and so after he, after that day of sales, they were having a party for him at his apartment. And girls are funny Girls, you know, girls in the Institute love summer sales. Boys like the all the Utah, idaho guys who come to sell like they're like it's like Christmas for them.
Marriage Coaching and Debunking Temple Myths
Speaker 2I don't really understand that whole thing. But my roommates are like we have to go. They're having a party, and I'm like, no, I'm staying here with the righteous people that actually went to Institute class, right. And they're like, no, you're coming with us, right. So they drag me to this birthday party and this boy who's super cute, and he's surrounded by all these girls that I couldn't even get to him, um, and so, you know, I'm like yeah, he's really cute, but like whatever, and I, I, I ended up talking to his brother for most of the night, who's not anything like him, but anyways. So I'm like totally ready to go. My roommates are like, okay, are you ready to go? I'm like yes, please, please, let's just go home.
Speaker 2And as we're walking out the door, he's standing at the door greeting everybody and we start talking. And then we were talking for so long that my roommates who had already gone out, we're playing like this little game of kind of soccer. They're kind of juggling a soccer ball. He's a soccer player and I'm a soccer player. So we go out and they're playing soccer and so we join in the game and then the ball goes over the pool and so we go over. I was like, oh, I'll go get it. And he's like, I'll go with you. And so we go over the pool, we throw the ball back, we stayed there, we started talking. That was our first conversation, and then we literally talked nonstop all summer long.
Speaker 1And now we're at the end and you get married and you find the guy. Wow, what an incredible story, monica. I love the conversion story. I love how it connects to this marriage and and just one thing that's really powerful for me is just how you're authentic, like you're. There's just nothing in this story story that you're just like, yeah, this is exactly how it was. In your whole journey, you were just so true to yourself that you ended up the best way possible with this amazing guy. What's your husband's name? His name is Ben Tanner Ben, and you've been married now for how many years.
Speaker 2We just celebrated, on Saturday, our 23-year wedding anniversary, and what's even cooler than that is our son got married on our 23 third wedding anniversary Just this last weekend. Yeah, just like two days ago.
Speaker 1Congratulations. I'm surprised we're on the. We're doing the show together today.
Speaker 2I mean, it's over. I'm like, I'm like whew.
Speaker 1Well, congratulations. And you have four kids, is that right? Oh, that's so wonderful. So you have an interesting now you know journey that you've developed this family, because now you're a marriage coach and you take these elements and you sell. Tell me a little bit about the people you serve.
Speaker 2Uh, a lot of my clients are LDS and they um, actually my specialty is kind of couples who are one or both of them are going through a faith transition and it's really hard on the marriage that's, I have a lot of that. But really, um, it's couples who've been married 20 or 30 years. They've kind of raised their kids, they've kind of done the thing that they said they would do, and now they're at this crossroads because they haven't really been intentional in their marriage and so they're they're trying to figure out do we stay together and figure this out and work on the marriage, or do we just cut ties here and, you know, find someone who don't? We don't carry all this baggage with.
Speaker 2And so really, what I try to do as a coach more than anything is teach about how to be intentional in your marriage, how to keep up date nights and keep the passion alive, make room in the marriage for both people who really thrive. So if I can keep people from getting to that point, that's ideal. But I have now trained in relational life therapy, which is an incredible modality and a way to work with couples who are on the brink of divorce, who are really thinking about like, do we? Do we stay together here and work on this? Or, you know, do we part part ways? So, um, I've had a lot of opportunity now to work with couples who are really struggling with either faith transitions or trying to decide if they're going to stay together.
Speaker 1It's funny because it does come at all, come down to faith. To some degree, there's faith in the church that's causing this disconnection or faith in each other, a lack of faith in each other and what they could be in that regard, and it's it's really interesting that you've you went into this journey, how long you've been doing this.
Speaker 2I've been doing marriage coaching for about six years and um the the relational life therapy is in the last year or so.
Speaker 1That sounds like a huge help to what you're doing.
Speaker 2Yeah, oh, it's incredible because before, if a couple was like we're really considering divorce, I would refer them out. Um, and so I felt like you know, but when couples are seeking counseling, usually they're pretty close to that point, and so I thought, if I really want to be helpful, I've got to learn how to deal with adultery and abuse and addiction and, you know, getting getting close to divorce. So I've gotten training in a lot of those areas now.
Speaker 1Very interesting. So really all the out points, someone losing their faith, someone faith transition better said faith transitioning, because I like that language better. Also, you've got all these different elements around. You know abuse and different elements that step into marriage and what causes that. I think what's neat about this too, in hearing your journey, is how essentially what you're doing is you're helping support. The most important thing we do in the temple, the most important thing we do, is get sealed, and so many of your clients, being members of our church, who've been sealed must find a lot of comfort in your background, because you both have this really strong testimony and this wonderful conversion story. But you were also you're also kind of outside of a typical pattern. You know what I mean. Like there's no pattern, but like in the culture of the church, there's definitely like a different path that people feel like they should be on. You came in from a very unique background. That probably serves you greatly.
Speaker 1Having seen kind of all the different things from your grandparents down to other elements in your world. So I love that you do that. Um, I feel like we need to have a different episode all about marriage. Yeah, if you're willing to do that, come back and we'll do a whole episode just on how your background and what you do can help keep the ties to those celestial marriage Cause. Like, for example, you have a book coming out in August that I am. I cannot wait to read the title alone. It's just so gripping to me. It's called bad marriage advice debunking myths that will make you mirror miserable and what to do instead. Like that's such a powerful. Is there any? Is there any bad? Any one of the bad marriage advices you can quickly just kind of touch upon?
Speaker 2Yeah, absolutely so. The I started writing the book as just like a love letter to my son and his future bride. When he told me he wanted to get married, I thought, oh my gosh, I have so much to share, um, and so I just started writing this letter that turned into a book. Um, so that was crazy, um, but I think the one probably that affects, I would say, my LDS, uh, clientele the most is this myth that divorce is not an option, like when you get married in the temple, you're married for time and all eternity and there's no going back. And I mean, the reality is, is that divorce is not an option is a lie. It's always an option, um, whether you're married in the temple or not, um, divorce is always on the table.
Speaker 2And I have one client in particular that's particularly heartbreaking, because he's such a nice man and he comes to see me on his own because his wife refuses to do any work on the marriage, and we started, you know, kind of talking a little bit about why he's so disillusioned and disappointed and you know not having a good experience in his marriage, and he told me that he, you know, I said, well, I think it's time to start thinking about the possibility of divorce or just letting your, your wife, know that you know, if she's not willing to work with you on the marriage, that you might have to think about divorce. And that's just something that I talk with my clients about, because you always have options. You might not like them all, but you always have them. And he said, oh, that's not possible, like we're sealed in the temple and I can't get to heaven without her. And I thought, um, okay, but if she's not willing to work with you on the on the marriage because she feels like you're locked in, that's a problem. And so that's where our work is trying to really unwind that idea that you can't get to heaven without her.
Speaker 2I get where it comes from and I think it's a very important idea. Yes, but I don't think Heavenly Father put us here to be locked into a marriage. That's not workable. And I do think that their marriage is workable. I just think that they need to have some tough conversations and in order to have those conversations, they have to realize that they have options. And if we can't figure it out, then he might need to walk away, and so she has no motivation to work on the marriage because he she feels like he's locked in but yeah, there's like well, what's he going to do?
Final Thoughts on Marriage and Agency
Speaker 1It's interesting. Um elder Holland recently gave an address to a stake where there was questions and answers about like, divorce and all these different elements, and what he said was so powerful. He goes I want to teach you guys a principle, and the principle is this is that no one else can get in the way of you going back home. Like no one else. Like like, if you are and I love that he was just talking about like, regardless of the individual circumstances, is that our ability to go back home to our father is completely reliant upon our relationship with him, our own relationship and obedience, and that's what. That's what we're taught in the temple. The temple. It's so interesting that people I do like that it's a, it's a, it's a principle that we can't get there without a spouse. I think that's an incredibly useful principle because marriage and divorce get so commonly thrown out. It's like I don't really feel this anymore. I'm out Versus. No, I want to work, having a motivation to work on it. But it's never meant to be an entrapment either. It's never meant to keep people into a connection of an unhealthy relationship.
Speaker 1Quick story I was a ministering brother to an older woman back in El Paso, texas, and her husband had died. She was in her late 80s. She lived alone. It was one of those visits where you're just kind of like being there to visit with her. And she turned to me she goes do you really think I'm going to see my spouse again one day? And I said absolutely, you've been sealed the temple, you're going to be together forever. And she started to cry she goes, I really can't stand him. I can't stand the thought of being with him. I'm terrified of having to spend more time with him. And I said, oh well, that's okay too. Like I just said, that's going to work out Like knowing what we know you're not stuck in eternity with someone who's been abusive or miserable.
Speaker 1So this concept I think what you're doing is you're trying to provide that counterbalance to the idea that, like, yes, we can't get there alone. However, that doesn't mean that you have to be in a relationship. You want to work for it in every case, but, like, there are cases where it's a very important option to consider.
Speaker 2Yeah and well, and the reality is is. I think people say that to like foster commitment, but the but the reality is is it's not. I mean, we have agency. God gave us agency. We always have agency. There's nothing that can take that away from us. And so, you know, a marriage based on, like you said, entrapment is not commitment, but a marriage based on choice is. And so when you, you know, when you bring that back, so that is a myth that will make you miserable. This idea that I, I made a decision, I got married in the temple and now I have zero choice in the matter, but you do. And so knowing that your partner, that you and your partner choose each other every day, that is the commitment. Not I'm stuck, I made a bad choice. It's okay if my partner abuses me or, you know, whatever, because now I'm stuck, that's not commitment.
Speaker 1No, it's not, and it's. It goes back to what Emily Emily Bell Friedman said in in the 23, when she was talking about, uh, her walking the Jesus trail in Jerusalem. How you know, we look at the covenant path as this. We would be wrong to think of it as a checklist and it's really meant to be a relationship. So when we think about eternal marriage, it's the relationship step that matters, Like it's. It's the relationship step that matters, like it's. It's the frame. The temple is the framework. But we fill the picture with the relationship we build with our spouse and if the if that relationship is is negative, hurtful, depressing, miserable, that's not the intent of the frame.
Speaker 1The frame itself is to hold love yeah and it takes work, as we all know, we've been around, you know, marriage for a while, but there are times where one person is just not willing or is doing things that are causing major issues, and that is the only path is to find someone to fill that frame with that's going to honor it. So I appreciate you so much. This has been an incredible episode. Monica, I want to have you back and, please, how can people get a hold of your book? How can they get, like aware of this whole thing?
Speaker 2Yeah, thank you so much. So you can find the book at badmarriageadvicecom. It comes out in August, so I don't know when this episode will release, but right now you can go and you can get on the wait list and get some free gifts for me, lots of date night ideas, cause I love, love, love, date night. Um, but yeah, so uh, it releases in August bad marriage advicecom, and then you can find out more about working with me and all of the free resources that I offer as well at Monica Tannercom.
Speaker 1I love that and I'm not surprised that that domain was available. Bad marriage advicecom. I love that. I love what you're doing so much, Monica. Thanks again for being on the show.
Speaker 2Thank you.
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